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Tom Tobben

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My silver votes:

#1 "Rio Grande, Brian Wilson. Excellent evidence that as a new solo artist after many difficult years, Brian was still willing to experiment with ambitious modular, extended form music. For me, always good to see Brian exploring new ideas and creativity even if not totally stellar, and not just sticking with an old BBs formula. Actually, I'd like to see him do more of this sort of extended form experimentation in his new music.

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Else what's a heaven for". -- from "Andrea Del Sarto", Robert Browning 

2. "Picasso's Last Words", Paul McCartney. Similar comment as above. Stands well on its own as a fascinating, creative song on McCartney's excellent Band on the Run album. In addition, this song serves as a good musical link by incorporating brief bits/reprises from several other songs on the album.

3. "Hallelujah", k.d. lang. Not as good, perhaps, as Tim Buckley's stellar version of this old Leonard Cohen classic, but still a lovely interpretation of a powerful song. It doesn't hurt that I also like a lot of k.d. lang's music over the years.

4. "True Love Ways", Buddy Holly. A gorgeous ballad from one of early legends of the rock and roll era. The guy wrote and performed so many great songs during his brief shining moment prior to the day the music died, and he influenced so many others who came after him.

5. "Help!", Beatles. A classic. Despite being a catchy theme song for the Beatles second feature movie, it was also an early indication of the more serious turn that John Lennon was about to take in his subsequent songs/lyrics for the Beatles.   

6. "Strange World", Beach Boys. A lovely Brian Wilson song from the excellent TWGMTR album. The album amply demonstrated that Brian could still write excellent songs, not just for himself, but also for his old band, on what may also be his final album with all the surviving band members.

7. "Whip It", Devo. Schlock rock at its finest. Q. Are We Not Men? A. We Are Devo  'Nuff said.

8. "Morningtown Ride", Seekers. A lovely pop/folk song. Didn't do well in the US compared to some of their other hits, but still a decent enough song.

9. "Little Honda", Beach Boys. A trite pop confection, following in the BW/ML mid-60s "formula" tradition. When you run out of hot cars to sing about, I guess you start singing about "groovy little motorbikes".

10. "Go Away Boy", Honeys. If this group weren't related to young Brian Wilson, they probably would never have received a recording contract. Forgettable, other than as a footnote as one of Brian's side projects.  


David W

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Reply with quote  #17 
My votes :

2)True Love Ways
3)Rio Grande
4)Little Honda
Picasso’s Last Words (Drink to Me)
7)Strange World
8)Morningtown Ride
9)Whip It
10)Go Away Boy
Darren J. Ray

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Thanks very much to Peter, first time voter Mr Ferm, bonnie, Lisa, Graciegirl, Tom and David for the latest votes and comments. 

Mr Ferm, it's nice to have someone from Sweden aboard. Hope you stick around and continue to give us your perspective. 

Just over 18 hours and the door on the polling booth will close tightly. 

Really looking forward to finding out which songs will stay alive in this race to the toppermost of the poppermost. 
paul g adsett

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negotiated new internet account,
back into wallowing in the ether.
hello world...

1: 'rio grande'
- exquisitely beautiful
2: 'help!'
- harrowingly exquisite
3: 'true love ways'
- beautifully joyful
4: 'morningtown ride'
- revvingingy jolly
5: 'little honda '
- joyfully revving
6: 'hallelujah'
- jollily plodding
7: 'picasso’s last words (drink to me)'
- ploddingly cracking
8: 'whip it'
- crackingly snappy
9: 'go away boy'
- snappily disposable
10: 'strange world'
- disposably harrowing

Verden McCutcheon

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Reply with quote  #20 
 Season 7 week 3 playoffs... SILVER

                  1)True Love Ways....Great love song from Mr. Holly

                 2)Morning Town Ride...My fav Seekers Song

                 3)Help..........a fine classic but I have heard it all to much

                4)Picasso's last words....One of McCartneys little gems from BOTR

                5)Rio Grande.............Proved that Brian still could come up with something unique and different..would have liked to have heard it live just once.

                                                                                                 My Silvers
Cantina Margarita

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Hi all,

my silver picks.

1. Go Away Boy

A great autobiographic song. I‘m buying every word of it, assuming that Marilyn would have done the same for Brian as Melinda did, if he only had been ready at their time. A teardriving song, at least for well-informed Brian fans. I feel with her, and therefore my favourite one.

And what a tune.

2. Strange World

a great one. Only the BB name on it is disturbing to me


3. Rio Grande

I still don‘t get where this track came from, at that time


4. True Love Ways

production-wise, waaaay ahead of its time


5. Hallelujah

if you don‘t like this one, you have a heart of stone


6. Morningtown Ride

beautiful female singers at their very best


7. Picasso’s Last Words (Drink to Me)

has some length, but some very strong moments as well


8. Help!

One of the weaker Beatles hit singles


9. Trump It

… anybody wants to hear this one again ?


10. Little Honda

one of those formula songs I don‘t like at all – and what advertisive ! If I‘m right, a Honda then used to be what a Vespa is now.


I‘ve just been reflecting if I really want to grant the Honeys this level of honour. I‘m quite sure, it‘s an A1 song.




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1 Hallelujah

2 Help!

3 True Love Ways

4 Little Honda

5 Rio Grande

6 Morningtown Ride

7 Strange World

8 Picasso’s Last Words (Drink to Me) 

9 Whip It

10 Go Away Boy

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

Al Forsyth

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Just to weigh in as the voting begins to wind down:

From the movie - wondering if an orchestra was really with them:

"Holly wrote "True Love Ways" for his wife, Maria Elena Holly, as a wedding gift. On April 29, 2011, she unveiled the never-before-seen "True Love Ways" photo of their wedding kiss, now displayed at P.J. Clarke's above Table 53, the table where they became engaged while on their first date, on June 20, 1958."

A diamond necklace played the pawn...

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Reply with quote  #24 
Paul, did you swap a few of those votes around?  They're not quite 'ouroborotic'.

True Love Ways    10 pts    by a fair margin
Help!    9
Hallelujah    8
Little Honda     7
Rio Grande    6
Strange World    5
Morningtown Ride    4
Go Away Boy    3
Picasso’s Last Words (Drink to Me)      2
Whip It    1

John E

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Reply with quote  #25 
Here's my order if it's not too late:

1. Rio Grande

2. True Love Ways

3. Help

4, Strange World

5. Morningtown Ride

6. Little Honda

7. Go Away Boy

8. Hallelujah (Leonard's version would have been my top choice)

9. Picasso's Last Words

10. Whip It
Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #26 
Thanks a lot to Paul, Verden, Cantina, Deb#1, DAN and John E for the last votes and comments. 

You just made it, John!

Al, thanks for those clips. 

I now know what a Matchless is!

I have real issues with The Buddy Holly Story movie. Obviously, I'm not the only one.

The Crickets apparently hated it.

Their real names aren't used, Busey's too old (and ugly) to play Buddy, Norman Petty doesn't exist, wrong song choices, made up events, etc, etc, etc.

Buddy would not have performed 'True Love Ways' live ever. It was released posthumously.

There are plenty of photos of the Clear Lake concert. No orchestra to be seen.

Glad Paul McCartney set the record straight with The Real Buddy Holly Story.  

Okay, rant over. 

Here come the results....

Darren J. Ray

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Results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (Battle of the Silvers)...

Hi everyone.

Here are the results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (the Battle of the Silvers):-

1. Help! (The Beatles - 1965) (six 1st places) - 165

2. True Love Ways (Buddy Holly - 1958/1960) (three 1st places) - 149

3. Rio Grande (Brian Wilson - 1988) (six 1st places) - 140

4. Little Honda (The Beach Boys - 1964) (two 1st places) - 122

5. Hallelujah (k. d. lang - 2004) (two 1st places) - 104 

6. Morningtown Ride (The Seekers - 1964) (nil 1st places) - 103

7. Picasso’s Last Words (Drink to Me) (Paul McCartney and Wings - 1973) (nil 1st places) - 95

8. Strange World (The Beach Boys - 2012) (nil 1st places) - 94

9. Whip It (Devo - 1980) (nil 1st places) - 67

10. Go Away Boy (The Honeys - 1983) (one 1st place) - 61

Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.

We had 20 voters for the week, the most we’ve had since Week 37.  

Special thanks again to D.A.N for scrutinising the votes for me.

Congratulations to BrianFan who selected ‘Help!’ in her Week 7.

The song that beat ‘Help!’ in that week was ‘Help Me, Rhonda’.

Both songs now progress to the Preliminary Final.

In theory, BrianFan may have picked the ultimate Gold & Silver songs of the year in her Week 7. Time will tell.

Congratulations also to Larry Franz who selected ‘True Love Ways’ in his Week 14.

As runner-up in this Silver Play-Off, this song does not progress.

There are three songs that have been deemed ‘ahead’ of it.

They are ‘Help Me, Rhonda’, ‘Help!’, by virtue of this week’s and Week 7’s result, and ‘You Still Believe in Me’ (The Beach Boys) which beat it in Week 14.

But the second placing for ‘True Love Ways’ this week ensures ‘You Still Believe in Me’ inclusion in the Preliminary.

It was the second time around for ‘Help!’ and second win in a Silver Play-Off. 

Kevin Witts used it in Season III when it won Silver (to 'California Girls') in Week 26, won its play-off handsomely (as per this time), and finished 4th in the Preliminary Final.

Will it do better this time?


The Beatles’ record in the Battle is outstanding.

They’ve had 29 selections, 15 of which (with a potential further two before season’s end) have made play-offs.

In regular competition, they’ve had 9 Golds, 14 Silvers, 4 Bronzes and 2 Tins.

They’ve won six play-offs – ‘Here Comes the Sun’ (a Silver Play-off), ‘Help!’ (Silver, twice), ‘Penny Lane’ (Silver and a Preliminary) and ‘Back in the USSR (a Tin).

They’ve won more Silver play-offs than The Beach Boys!

One wonders how many more winners they would have had if not for the current ban of Beatles master recordings on the internet.


Over the past seven years, the first place winners of the Silver Play-Off, and their eventual placings, have been:

Season I - ‘Here Comes the Sun’ (The Beatles) (Tom Tobben) (finished 8th in Preliminary Final)
Season II - ‘What is Life’ (George Harrison) (Cynthia D. Hood) (finished 6th in Gold Play-Off)
Season III - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (Kevin Witts) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final
Season IV - ‘Penny Lane’ (The Beatles) (Al Forsyth) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off
Season V - ‘The Warmth of the Sun’ (The Beach Boys) (Jo McGuire) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off)
Season VI - ‘All This Is That’ (The Beach Boys) (D.A.N) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season VII - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (BrianFan) ?

‘Help!’ led nearly all week.

Beyond that, it was a battle of three between ‘True Love Ways’, ‘Rio Grande’ and ‘Little Honda’ as to who would be runner-up.

That meant ‘Help Me, Rhonda’ and ‘Help!’ were pretty much over the line early doors for a call up to the Preliminary.

Beyond that, it was a question as to whether ‘You Still Believe in Me’, ‘River Song’ (Dennis Wilson) or ‘(Sittin’ on) The Dock of the Bay (Otis Redding) would fill the remaining spot in the Preliminary, depending on which song was runner-up for the week.

‘Dock of the Bay’ was looking likely until ‘Little Honda’ ran out of gas towards the finish line.

‘Rio Grande’ and ‘Little Honda’ both polarised opinion, which ultimately was costly.

10 voters had ‘Rio Grande’ in their Top 3, but three voters (including a 10th place from Graciegirl) put it in their bottom 3.

Six voters had ‘Little Honda’ in their Top 3; three in their bottom 3 (including 10th place from Cantina Margarita).

‘Hallelujah’ and ‘Morningtown Ride’ also had diverse reactions.

Five voters put ‘Hallelujah’ in their Top 3 (including two 1st places, from Cindy Hood and Deb#1). Eight voters put it in their bottom 3 (including 10th places from Peter Simpson and Mr Ferm).

Five voters had ‘Morningtown Ride’ in their Top 3 (no 1st places, but four 2nd places, from yours truly, Mr Ferm, Graciegirl and Verden McCutcheon). But seven voters had it in their bottom 3 (including two 10th places, from Cindy and Prof. Dewey).


The only songs to not receive an outright 10th place were ‘Help!’ and ‘True Love Ways’, our winner and runner-up.

The songs to receive multiple 10th places were ‘Go Away Boy’ (five), ‘Whip It’ (four), ‘Strange World’ (three) and ‘Morningtown Ride’ & ‘Hallelujah’ (two each).

The only song to not feature in anyone’s Top 3 was ‘Whip It’. 12 voters had it in their bottom 3.


Other than ‘Help!’, the songs with previous Battle selections were ‘Rio Grande’ and ‘Little Honda’.

‘Rio Grande’ had won Gold in Week 18 of Season II (Teenage Symphony) in an all BW/BB week, just missing the play-offs.

‘Little Honda’ had won Gold in Week 19 of Season III (Teenage Symphony) and had failed to make play-offs.

The Pearlfishers’ cover of ‘Go Away Boy’ featured in last year’s Silver Play-Off, finishing 9th. From that result and comments, it would seem the majority of voters prefer the Pearlfishers’ track from Caroline Now!

The competition now goes up another notch.

The top three from this week’s Preliminary Final will play off in next week’s Battle of the Golds, where we will crown the Gold, Silver and Bronze songs of the year!

This week is now closed.


t bedford

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Reply with quote  #28 
Their real names aren't used,

While it's true they don't like the film, that's not why their names aren't used.

imdb says:
The members of the Crickets had already sold their portrayal rights to the producer of a different Buddy Holly movie, so fictitious names had to be used for this film. Also, for story simplification, the number of band members were reduced from three people to two persons. 

Two things I appreciate about the film are that the actors played their own instruments and performed the music live (Don Stroud had never played a drum kit), and that 33 year old Gary Busey lost 30+ lbs. to appear as skinny as 22 year old Buddy.

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