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David W

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Reply with quote  #16 
My votes.....difficult to choose , another day any of the top 3 could be No 1

1)Gimme Shelter (The Rolling Stones - 1969) 

2)Strawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles - 1967) 

3)Be My Baby (The Ronettes - 1963) 

4)I’ll Be There (The Jackson 5 - 1970))

5)Let Him Run Wild (The Fendertones - 2004)

6)White Winter Hymnal (Fleet Foxes - 2008)

7)Zombie (The Cranberries - 1994)

8)I’ll Never Find Another You (The Seekers - 1964) 

9)Conquistador (single edit) (Procol Harum - 1972)

10)Take the Long Way Home (Supertramp - 1979)
Tom Tobben

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Reply with quote  #17 
Now we're getting into some really good stuff!

#1. Strawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles - 1967) The Beatles, and John Lennon in particular, at their psychedelic best early in that glorious "summer of love" year. Not only that, this song released in early 1967 set the stage for what was to come a few months later with the release of the groundbreaking Sgt. Pepper album, and the serious launch of album-oriented rock. Pop/rock music would never be the same again (well, at least for a decade or so)! Perhaps the Beatles' greatest album and not one single was released from the album for Top 40 radio. Aaahhh, the glory days of the Beatles and of a widely expanding rock music palette that was to come! 

2. Gimme Shelter (The Rolling Stones - 1969) Who better to musically reflect the turbulence and social unrest of the late 1960s than the Stones! With such impactful songs as Street Fightin' Man, Sympathy for the Devil, You Can't Always Get What You Want, Midnight Rambler, Let It Bleed, and this one, in 1968 and 1969, no other group expressed so vividly and viscerally the angst and turmoil of this period of major social unrest and rebellion against the "establishment". And I was right at the age (18-20 years old) to experience the full impact of all this -- Vietnam, the military draft, Civil Rights protests and violence, RFK/MLK assassinations, Nixon, women's liberation movement, hippies and yippies, Charles Manson/Helter Skelter, Altamont, etc. Pop/rock music was never so societally relevant as in that era. "We all need someone we can bleed on..."

3. Let Him Run Wild (The Fendertones - 2004) This isn't Brian and the Boys singing one of their loveliest songs, but it's about as close as you can get. I never cease to be amazed at how meticulously and faithfully the Fendertones have been able to reproduce some of the Beach Boys' most memorable and sophisticated music. And Chad Odhner's high lead vocals are simply amazing, gloriously emulating Brian's vocals from those early years. 

4. Take the Long Way Home (Supertramp - 1979) I love Supertramp back from their earlier days (e.g., Crime of the Century album), and this single and its album, Breakfast in America, is among their very best. Around here, their music got lots of airplay on our local  FM/alternative rock stations, so we got to hear a lot of their many fine album cuts from their various albums in addition to their hit songs.

5.  Zombie (The Cranberries - 1994) This song and this Irish group were among the true musical highlights of 1990s pop/rock music, and Dolores O'Riordan possessed one of the most powerful and lovely voices of that period. It's too bad their period of major fame wasn't longer, and it was sad to learn of her untimely death a couple years ago. 

6. White Winter Hymnal (Fleet Foxes - 2008) Such a lovely song with those layered vocals and harmonies. Group leader Robin Pecknold's distinctive music was significantly influenced by Brian Wilson, as he acknowledges in the liner notes to their debut album, Fleet Foxes, which features this lovely song. Unfortunately, from my personal perspective, their later albums haven't quite lived up to the promise of their stellar debut album. Good stuff, nonetheless!

7. Conquistador (single edit) (Procol Harum - 1972) A powerful and musically ambitious song by this late British Invasion group. I love the biting lyrics and imagery of this song about the horror and plunder caused by these ruthless, imperialist Spanish invaders of the natives of the Americas.

8. Be My Baby (The Ronettes - 1963) A major Phil Spector "wall of sound" classic, featuring the lovely and powerful vocals of Veronica "Ronnie" Bennett/Spector and her fellow female singers (sister Estelle Bennett and cousin Nedra Talley), all from multi-ethnic Spanish Harlem in New York City. This song is considered an all-time pop classic, but it didn't rank higher for me because I've probably heard it way too many times. Still great though!

9. I’ll Never Find Another You (The Seekers - 1964) Another wonderful song from a delightful group and so evocative of the 60s folk era. They had a handful of lovely songs that made the US pop charts, and I wish they had had more here. Judith Dunham's lead vocals are truly memorable, and I appreciate that Darren has regularly championed their music.

10. I’ll Be There (The Jackson 5 - 1970) By the time this Motown boy band group came around, I was already off in college and on to heavier rock and pop singer/songwriter music. To me, these guys and their music were geared to a younger generation of pre-teens and young adolescents of the period. Catchy, yes, but from that period give me Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Stones, solo Beatles, Brother/Reprise era Beach Boys, adult Stevie Wonder, Santana, CSN/Y, Yes, the Guess Who, Steppenwolf, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Moody Blues, Marvin Gaye, Zappa, etc. any day over these guys, the Osmonds, Partridge Family, etc. 

Excellent batch of songs and artists for this week's battle. I'm eager to see what's still ahead in the next couple weeks, as we evaluate the very best of the 2019 BOTBs! 


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Reply with quote  #18 
Interesting - my top 3 = Tom's bottom 3, not quite in reverse order.

I’ll Never Find Another You    10 pts
I’ll Be There    9
Be My Baby    8
Strawberry Fields Forever    7
White Winter Hymnal    6
Let Him Run Wild    5
Zombie    4
Take the Long Way Home    3
Conquistador    2
Gimme Shelter    1 
(Oh dear, Stones last, again.  One would think I detest them.  One would not be correct to go that far.)

Cantina Margarita

Posts: 161
Reply with quote  #19 
Originally Posted by Cantina Margarita
... not wanting to reveal too much at this early point, I can already tell that it's a matter of four alltime favourites and one special hate song for me. I would feel honoured to avoid a certain song's overall win (which is not too unlikely) by my votes. None of the songs in between will be subject to rise above my #5 or sink below my #9.
The last sentence isn't very helpful, is it ?

„Let‘s put butter beside them fish“, they say in Hamburg.



Strawberry Fields Forever

The strings and orchestra arrangement, the chorus chords, the drums, the lead guitar lick, the mellotron, the slowed down lead vocal singing nonsense, sounding arrogant and silly to the thinkable maximum – the most British of all great British rock songs to me. It couldn‘t be further out and riskier than it was, published as a single in 1967. The Beatles, re-inventing themselves for the 222. time, and this time as an avant-garde band. This is what Brian tried to bite from the steak in 66/67. He failed chewing and got frustrated, whereas the 5 Beatles didn‘t even seem to conceive what they had just been doing (George Martin included here). Unjust world. Swinging London, Brian‘s second home, seemed to be a better place for stuff like that. Quite simply, one of the best songs that exist to me. #1 in almost any competition.




A song like a volley from a machine gun right into your kisser. The band wasn‘t like this, and their „No Need To Argue“ album didn‘t contain any other song like it. Essentially, beautiful ballads and catchy tunes for late flower powerers („I Can‘t Be With You“, „Ode To My Family“, „The Icycle Melts“). This contrast within the lovely album increased its shocking impact a lot, and Zombie can be called one of the angriest songs ever. If Northern Ireland, after Brexit, falls back to some reactionary mode, this song should become their national anthem.



Another You

So many heavyweight songs here, but this is an easy one which has been in my ear since my earliest youth. As I wrote before, the Seekers used to be very popular in my neighbourhood, as an alternative to Beatles, Bee Gees, MamasPapas, Beach Boys and so on. What‘s the Seekers ? A folky guitar band with harmonies sounding like adventure, and with a lead singer sounding like gimme more and more. Not inspiring for angry or frustrated days, but most suitable when the sun shines and everything is cool. And this is their most iconic song.


honourable TIN

Take The Long Way Home

A great one from Supertramp‘s Dixieland phase. A hymn for all frustrated officers, sounding like the whole wide world for narrow brains. Excellent fancy production, as well as the rest of the BIA album, as well as its ancestor, EITQM. This was the phase in which the two alpha animals worked as a team. A kind of creative peak for them, and things could only get worse. Great song from a great bunch.

Rank 5. Gimme Shelter

comes like a warning to Phil‘s girlies (see below)

Rank 6. I’ll Be There

once upon a time before Michael was elected king

Rank 7. Conquistador

glorification with nothing to glorify

Rank 8. White Winter Hymnal

nice what they were able to make of the „Wallace And Gromit“ clippings

Rank 9. Let Him Run Wild

What‘s the Beach Boys, without their typical choir blend ? Nice try though, very close, instrumentally. Brian‘s band does it better, imo. Darren, what became of the original, in BOTB record context ?



What‘s good about it ? For sure, Hal B. on drums (if it‘s not him, then another progressive drummer ahead of his time). Oviously, the catchy chord progression E / C#m / F#m / H which can also be found in a self-made medley of mine, called „222 Titles“. And in other people‘s medleys, too. If so, it must be called very influential. Agnetha F., the great Northern diva, sang a whole lot of „you‘re better off complying with me“ songs like this. If so, BMB might be called the first ABBA hit.

Apart from that, to me, it‘s a lot like „Phil S. in an after party session in his studio, with three chicks and some guys from his studio band“. One of them even was nice enough to marry. But they clearly weren‘t as gifted as, let‘s say, Tina T., Aretha F. and Amy W.. Very cute … if you‘re able to ignore what Phil proved to be able to do to girls later.

What‘s ridiculous and infamous about it ? I don‘t like to be in opposition to Brian W., but for a guy from his league, it‘s a joke to praise a „Song For Children“ like this to the amount he did and still does. Modesty is his middle name. As far as I‘m concerned, this is very annoying. Last place.

„Strawberry Fields“ only silver in its week. How could that happen ???

tsss tsss tsss[confused]



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Reply with quote  #20 
Sorry to miss last week. I fell asleep after a long hard day. This week:
1 - Be My Baby
2 - Strawberry Fields Forever
3 - I’ll Never Find Another You
4 - White Winter Hymnal
5 - I’ll Be There
6 - Gimme Shelter
7 - Let Him Run Wild
8 - Take the Long Way Home
9 - Conquistador
10 - Zombie

What a field-day for the heat 
A thousand people in the street 
Singing songs and carrying signs 
Mostly say, hooray for our side 
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound 
Everybody look what's going down”
— FWIW, Buffalo Springfield 
Darren J. Ray

Posts: 3,431
Reply with quote  #21 
The polling booth has closed. 

Thank you very much to the last batch of voters - David, Tom, DAN, Cantina and Deb. 

David, those three songs sat atop the leaderboard virtually all week. 

Tom, thanks as always for your expansive and informative comments. 

Just a small note, Wiki states that Ronnie Spector is the only Ronette heard on 'Be My Baby'. The backing vocalists are listed as, among others, Ronnie, Ellie Greenwich, Darlene Love and Sonny & Cher. 

And yes, Cantina, Hal Blaine is listed as the drummer. 'Be My Baby' was used in Week 9, one of two tribute weeks to Hal in Season X. 

DAN, more hometown love for the Seekers. 

Cantina, I always look forward to your unique and reasoned perspective (and paul's and John B's). Nice to see much favour for the Seekers, Cranberries and Supertramp. 

And I'll list the Battle record for 'Let Him Run Wild' in my upcoming summary. 

Deb, once again your last votes have determined a result.

And here it comes.....

Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #22 

Results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (Battle of the Silvers)...

Hi everyone.

Here are the results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (the Battle of the Silvers):- 

1. Strawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles - 1967) (four 1st places) - 116

2. Be My Baby (The Ronettes - 1963) (four 1st places) - 97

3. Gimme Shelter (The Rolling Stones - 1969) (three 1st places) - 93

4. Let Him Run Wild (The Fendertones - 2004) (nil 1st places) - 79

5. I’ll Never Find Another You (The Seekers - 1964) (two 1st places) - 77

6. I’ll Be There (The Jackson 5 - 1970) (nil 1st places) - 75

7. Zombie (The Cranberries - 1994) (nil 1st places) - 62

8. Take the Long Way Home (Supertramp - 1979) (one 1st place) - 57

9. Conquistador (single edit) (Procol Harum - 1972) (nil 1st places) - 57 *

10. White Winter Hymnal (Fleet Foxes - 2008) (nil 1st places) - 57 *

* Neither song scored 1st or 2nd places, but ‘Conquistador’ scored two 3rd places, ‘White Winter Hymnal’ scored one 3rd place

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to vote.

We had 14 voters for the week.

Special thanks again to D.A.N for scrutinising the votes for me.

Congratulations to yours truly who selected ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ in my Week 28.

The song that beat ‘Strawberry Fields…’ in Week 28 was ‘A Day in the Life’ (The Beatles - 1967).

Both songs now progress to the Preliminary Final.

In theory, I may have picked the ultimate Gold & Silver songs of the year in my Week 28. Time will tell.

Congratulations also to stkilda4ever who selected ‘Be My Baby’ in his Week 9.

As runner-up in this Silver Play-Off, this song does not progress.

There are three songs that have been deemed ‘ahead’ of it.

They are ‘A Day in the Life’, ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’, by virtue of this week’s and Week 28’s results, and ‘California Girls’ (The Beach Boys - 1965) which beat it by 7.5 points in Week 9.

But the second placing for ‘Be My Baby’ this week ensures ‘California Girls’ is included in the Preliminary.

Three tracks had previous Battle history…

Be My Baby

- a Gold in Week 35 of Season III, 4th in Gold Play-Off (Sue Schlichter),
- a Bronze in Week 18 of Season VII, 1st in Bronze Play-Off, 6th in Preliminary Final (Cindy Hood),
- a Silver in Week 9 of Season X, 2nd in Silver Play-Off (stkilda4ever)

Gimme Shelter

- a Silver in Week 2 of Season I, 5th in Silver Play-Off (Wow! Great Concert!),
- a Bronze in Week 2 of Season IX (Larry Franz),
- a Silver in Week 18 of Season X, 3rd in Silver Play-Off (Cindy Hood)

I’ll Never Find Another You

- a Silver in Week 25 of Season I (John Potter),
- a Silver in Week 37 of Season X, 5th in Silver Play-Off (Darren J. Ray)

Two versions of ‘Let Him Run Wild’ have been used. They are…

The Beach Boys - 1965 version:
- a Gold in Week 16 of Season I, 7th in Gold Play-Off (Joy B),
- a Gold in Week 24 of Season I (B B Fan1),
- a Gold in Week 32 of Season V (Larry Franz),
- a Gold in Week 41 of Season VI, 3rd - SEASON BRONZE - in Gold Play-Off (Al Forsyth)

The Fendertones - 2004 version:
- a Silver in Week 39 of Season X, 4th in Silver Play-Off (Al Forsyth)

The Beatles have currently won nine play-offs, including the two this series.

The songs have been:

Here Comes the Sun (a Silver in Week 7 of Season I, 1st in Silver Play-Off, 8th in Preliminary Final - Tom Tobben),

Help! (a Silver in Week 26 of Season III, 1st in Silver Play-Off, 4th in Preliminary Final - Kevin Witts),

Penny Lane (a Silver in Week 1 of Season IV, 1st in Silver Play-Off, 1st in Preliminary Final, 2nd - SEASON SILVER - in Gold Play-Off - Al Forsyth),

Back in the U.S.S.R. (a Tin in Week 21 of Season V, 1st in Tin Play-Off - Jo McGuire),

Help! (a Silver in Week 7 of Season VII, 1st in Silver Play-Off, 5th in Preliminary Final - BrianFan),

Help! (a Gold in Week 18 of Season VIII, 1st in Preliminary Final, 6th in Gold Play-Off - Deb#1),

I Am the Walrus (a Tin in Week 28 of Season X, 1st in Tin Play-Off - Darren J. Ray),

Strawberry Fields Forever (a Silver in Week 28 of Season X, 1st in Silver Play-Off - Darren J. Ray *)

* still in contention

This achievement is all the more remarkable considering we virtually couldn’t use Beatles songs for over three years, due to an internet ban imposed on their EMI recordings by UMG.

The Beach Boys have won 20 play-offs to date.

After The Beatles, the next best is two wins each by George Harrison and The Supremes.

On one win each are The Turtles, The Chambers Brothers, The Tremeloes, The Mamas & the Papas, Nat King Cole, Buddy Holly, The Four Seasons, “Mama” Cass Elliot, The Ronettes, Del Shannon, Roy Orbison, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Nilsson, The Rolling Stones and The Bangles.

Week 28 becomes the eleventh week to have multiple play-off winners.

Season  Week      Host                             Songs                                                                                    Play-Offs

II             7         Cynthia D. Hood            What is Life (George Harrison)                                               Silver & Preliminary
                                                                God Only Knows (The Beach Boys)                                       Gold

III           26        Kevin Witts                     Help! (The Beatles)                                                                Silver                                                                                                                                        California Girls (The Beach Boys)                                         Preliminary

IV            1          Al Forsyth                     Penny Lane (The Beatles)                                                     Silver & Preliminary

V             21        Jo McGuire                     Back in the USSR (The Beatles)                                           Tin
                                                                 Hawaii (The Beach Boys)                                                       Bronze
               10        Jo McGuire                    The Warmth of the Sun (The Beach Boys)                             Silver & Preliminary

VI            35        Deb#1                          Silence is Golden (The Four Seasons)                                     Tin
                                                              Don’t Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) (The Beach Boys)  Preliminary

VII           28        Al Forsyth                     My World is Empty Without You (The Supremes)                     Tin
                                                                Surf’s Up (The Beach Boys)                                                     Gold

VIII          11        t Bedford                      Runaway (Del Shannon)                                                           Tin
                                                               Oh, Pretty Woman (Roy Orbison)                                              Bronze
                18        Deb#1                         Catch a Wave (The Beach Boys)                                              Silver
                                                               Help! (The Beatles)                                                                   Preliminary

IX              2        Larry Franz                  All Along the Watchtower (The Jimi Hendrix Experience)          Tin
                                                               The Warmth of the Sun (The Beach Boys)                                 Gold

X              28       Darren J. Ray                I Am the Walrus (The Beatles)                                                 Tin
                                                                Strawberry Fields Forever (The Beatles)                                   Silver

Over the past 10 years, the first place winners of the Silver Play-Off, and their eventual placings, have been:

Season I - ‘Here Comes the Sun’ (The Beatles) (Tom Tobben) (finished 8th in Preliminary Final)
Season II - ‘What is Life’ (George Harrison) (Cynthia D. Hood) (finished 6th in Gold Play-Off)
Season III - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (Kevin Witts) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season IV - ‘Penny Lane’ (The Beatles) (Al Forsyth) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off)
Season V - ‘The Warmth of the Sun’ (The Beach Boys) (Jo McGuire) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off)
Season VI - ‘All This Is That’ (The Beach Boys) (D.A.N) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season VII - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (BrianFan) (finished 5th in Preliminary Final)
Season VIII - ’Catch a Wave’ (The Beach Boys) (Deb#1) (finished 9th in Preliminary Final)
Season IX - ‘Miss You’ (The Rolling Stones) (Cindy Hood) (finished 6th in Preliminary Final)
Season X - ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ (The Beatles) (Darren J. Ray) ?

Dissecting the numbers….

It was always going to come down to three, and three doesn’t fit into two.

‘Be My Baby’ and ‘Gimme Shelter’ battled it out for second position most of the week.

Second last voter Cantina Margarita’s 10th place for ‘Be My Baby’ gave ‘Gimme Shelter’ second spot until the last voter, Deb#1, gave ‘Be My Baby’ 1st place and ‘Gimme Shelter’ 6th place, relegating ‘Gimme Shelter’ to third, four points behind ‘Be My Baby’.

The consequence of this is the song that beat ‘Be My Baby’ in Week 9, ‘California Girls’, continues. If ‘Gimme Shelter’ had finished second, the song that beat it in Week 18, ‘Don’t Worry Baby’ (The Beach Boys featuring Lorrie Morgan - 1996) would have progressed instead.

‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ was the only song without a bottom 3 ranking from anyone. Its lowest scores were a 7th place (from John B), a 6th place (from Cindy Hood) and a 4th place (from D.A.N). All 11 other voters had it in their Top 3.

The only songs to not score a 10th place from any voter were ‘Strawberry Fields…’, ‘Let Him Run Wild’ (two 9th places) and ‘Conquistador’ (four 9th places).

‘Take the Long Way Home’, ‘I’ll Never Find Another You’ and ‘Zombie’ were the biggest polarisers.

Supertramp obviously polarise opinion. ‘It’s Raining Again’ did the same in Season I. In fact, I’d suggest they’re the most polarising act we’ve had in the Battle; certainly up there with Queen (10 entries for one play-off) and, to a lesser degree, Van Morrison (eight entries for no play-offs).

The Seekers received great support from Australia (two 1st places and a 2nd) and varying response from everywhere else.

‘Zombie’ received three Top 3 places (but no 1st place) and six bottom 3 places.

Four songs received at least one 1st place and at least one 10th place: ‘Be My Baby’ (four and one), ‘Gimme Shelter’ (three and one), ‘I’ll Never Find Another You’ (two and one) and ‘Take the Long Way Home’ (one and three).

The most outright 10th places went to ’Take the Long Way Home’ with three. The next worst were ‘I’ll Be There’, ‘Zombie’ and ‘White Winter Hymnal’ with two each. 

The competition now goes up another notch.

The top three from this week’s Preliminary Final will play off in next week’s Battle of the Golds, where we will crown the Gold, Silver and Bronze songs of the year.

This week is now closed.



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Reply with quote  #23 
8. Take the Long Way Home (Supertramp - 1979) (one 1st place) - 57

9. Conquistador (single edit) (Procol Harum - 1972) (nil 1st places) - 57 *

10. White Winter Hymnal (Fleet Foxes - 2008) (nil 1st places) - 57 *

They just couldn't quite ketch-up to the others.

* Ducks head, leaves room *

Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #24 
Thank you, Mr Heinz. 
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