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John E

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I can't get too excited about any of these, but here's my order:

1. Men at Work - One of the few vaguely tolerable songs from the 80s.

2. Flash and the Pan - I wonder what came first, this or "Sultans of Swing" (same year)?

3.  Status Quo - Starts off okay, but like most Quo stuff rapidly gets monotonous

4. Beach Boys - I get a bit tired of some of this early surf stuff

Here's a couple of down songs from the English acoustic scene:

Downward Spiral by Mike Hastings (of the Trembling Bells) and Solveig:



Deal Gone Down  by a young Michael Chapman:

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paul g adsett

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brilliant, john e.
never knowingly underprepared to add a choice or two
from favourite performers.
that chapman chap sure looks trendy, eh?
hoping to get  mike h'n'solveig down to sunny brighton
(a house concert?) on their next outing.
we all need a touch of syd in our lives...

cheers

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D.A.N

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For those with short term memory loss, here’s the Flash and the Pan track that won the Gold in Week 20 last year…


That's a very long short term.

I'm trying to forget that Coles ad.
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paul g adsett

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decidedly not 'down'
- but, if y'don't like it,
'stick it in y'fam'ly al-bum!'
or, down the pan...

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John B

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Well, my votes are exactly opposite of the other John's, but he scoops me with the Dire Straits comparison for Flash & the Pan's tune.  Glad I'm not the only one on that.  Otherwise, though, disagree strongly about the 80's music being so bad if you count 1980 and 1981 in there.

So, that means my votes are exactly Lee's. 

1.  'Shut Down' by the 'boys.

as Lee said, great lyrics. (other John: this is not a surfing song).  and the way Brian tricks the ear by NOT resolving the traditional chord sequence predictably but with ....what exact jazz note is THAT?  the first time you hear it, you can't even sing it back.  but after a few times, that's the only thing your mind wants to sing.  Mine, anyway.  Very unorthodox melody.  Great song.

2. 'Down Down' by Status Quo.  1975? and they look like that.  and ...it's more than 5 minutes long.  Yet, I like it.  Must be great!  

3. Flash & the Pan's 'Down Among the Dead Men (and the band played on)'

concerning the family tree thing, I always thought they ranged from very good (The East Beats) to
very bad (ACDC) and Flash & the Pan were in the middle (very mediocre).

4. 'Do you come from a land down under'  by Men at Work, 1981, or the beginning of the end of a great musical era, to be replaced by MTV-cheesiness, and sax and drums that sound nothing like rock n roll sax and drums. 

by the way, as an afterthought, why does paul g. describe the classic, probably only song mentioned here that is better than 'Shut Down', "Down in the Tube Station at Midnight" by The Jam as a poor quality video?   as compared to what?   Too shy by Kajagoogoo or I dunno, some of those Phil Collins ones?  
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Not completely an easy week to vote but educational.

My votes: Gold to a song that I always liked (not loved) but REALLY liked. Shut Down. Here's why: it still rocks. First, it has all of it's elements but there's a blues sound coupled with surf that makes this! BUT it's all about the drumming - listen to it. Was it Dennis or Hal Blaine? On the live and fast clip, Dennis has those fills. The drums kick this into gear from the opening flam and the drum fills continue throughout to keep it moving - like a race. Then the guitars underneath are rockin' throughout. I always thought that there were two rockers in the BB's back then and one had to leave (Murry could only let one go). The chords go up by the whole step in the beginning (not down 😉 and with a song later on does this on a grander scale - a vibrationy song. The song still rocks out all of these years later – showing a band that could rock, when they had to.
youtube.com/watch?v=nll2r0h8rRE
I knew some of the gearheads - draggers in our town and they had their own 1/4 mile strip on the edge of town.

Silver (and close in my votes) was to a world-wide hit, from the 80's but a fun and funny song.  Do You Come From a Land DOWN UNDER. Darren brings up the flute, which introduces the song and provides the interest at the end (like Paul Macca's little screams in Hey Jude). Plus one never knew what a vegemite sandwich was. And then we did! I agree with the folk here who say and know that the 80’s was a rough decade – but we held our stomachs, noses, and ears intact and got through. What we are doing now in the states politically, actually.

It got tougher for me with the two lowers.

I’ll go Bronze with the Quo with the guitars kicking it off (too long but still good). Starts out jangly, Byrd-like, and then gets steady rock and roll. With the walk up chords and bass. The bass is REALLY interesting in this!!!

With the Flash In The Pan – begins like MacArther Park.
youtube.com/watch?v=tRwYQgk05DY
And yes, the talking vocal comes up later as a Sultan. The Vanda and Young video was great, Darren. One can see the range of what these guys could do all the way to John Paul Young.
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-easybeats-mn0000145086/biography

So got some Aussie-ed this week. And now know something about St. Kilda even. Thanks to stkilda4ever for this hosting week. Got my gear back on for SD. Now have to SD my computer.

And the races continue - wherever:
youtube.com/watch?v=z2OoxzYqgNY

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Still got my radio interview with Bon Scott and Angus recorded backstage in 1975.


What's the new single called, Angus?
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John B

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man, that pic of Michael Chapman looks...familiar.

I wonder, if it is every white guy with a beard and a hat?
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Al Forsyth

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The car-med with Shut Down right in the middle:
youtube.com/watch?v=m3FaIQEQoJM

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Larry Franz

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Famous people & Elliott Smith making metaphorical directional requests.

The Animals -- "Don't Bring Me Down"
youtube.com/watch?v=Ztw4tKz0zrU

The Beatles -- "Don't Let Me Down" (on the roof)
youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y

Neil Young -- "Don't Let It Get You Down"
youtube.com/watch?v=l4ho1MN3NEM

Elliott Smith -- "Don't Go Down"
youtube.com/watch?v=BS-XjDtL42Y

The Beach Boys -- "Don't Back Down" (alternate take)
youtube.com/watch?v=R8cvH5hcpGU


Plus:

The Beatles -- "If I Fell" (from the movie)
youtube.com/watch?v=FcOTExcE2dM

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Darren J. Ray

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Gee, Stkilda4ever, I bet you're glad you picked a theme. [bawl]

You were warned. [nono]
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Some new songs for me and some old ones.  Here's my votes:

Gold:  Men At Work for Down Under.  I know it's probably way overplayed, but I've liked this one ever since I first heard it.

Silver:  The Beach Boys for Shut Down.  It's not one of my fave BB's songs - I was never into their car songs really.  But, I cannot deny the talent of the Boys and it is a good and popular song by them.  

Bronze:  Flash in the Pan for Down Among the Dead Men.  As soon as the intro started, It sounded very familiar from another song I've heard.  Al said MacArthur Park, but I heard this:


Tin:  Status Quo for Down, Down.  It had an intro that really revved up, but then lost my interest further into it.  



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This isn't a 'Down' song, but this one by Status Quo was very popular in the US.


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Darren J. Ray

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Stkilda4ever, one thing I didn’t warn you about was if some people here are confronted with a song they’ve never heard before, they often insinuate plagiarism.

My guess is when people reach a certain age, anything they haven’t heard before – particular if it’s good – is just too confronting, and they deal with it by comforting themselves that what they just heard is fake; that it didn’t really happen. It takes away their certainty in life – that their music that they grew up is the best music. Anything else can’t be as good or it must just be a copy.

Plenty of times, I have introduced songs to the Battle that the majority don’t know and the reactions could make a case study for human nature.

Erroneous accusations of theft abound even when the records that they are supposedly copying were recorded years, in some cases, even decades afterwards.

Then, when you challenge the accusers with the release dates of the records, they go strangely quiet.

Let me give you some examples.

The chords in ‘Hangin’ Five’ (The Delltones - 1963) were apparently influenced by ‘Cool for Cats’, by Squeeze (1979). Work that one out! It was also too kitsch (I mean, whoever heard of a surf group that formed in 1958 where the members all surfed?) and was too much like a Stray Cats record … who would’ve been in nappies when ‘Hangin’ Five’ was released!

The ‘bom, bom, bom, bom’ in ‘She’s My Baby’ (Johnny O'Keefe - 1959) – that was obviously lifted from ‘Mr Bass Man’ by Johnny Cymbal (1963). Hats off to Snuffy Garrett, who produced ‘She’s My Baby’. He must have been a true visionary to copy a song that was recorded four years later!

‘Hollywood Seven’ by Jon English, who’d only been knocking around since the late ’60s - he got his vocal style and storytelling from… wait for it… HARRY CHAPIN!!

‘One Day’ (1983) by the Church. The guitar style on this was obviously pinching Stuart Adamson’s lines from Big Country; amazing considering ‘One Day’ pre-dated Big Country’s first album. Even more amazing that The Church were accused of copying an English band called The Stone Roses, who formed in 1983 and released their first record in 1989!

So far this week, three gents have suggested similarities between ‘Down Among the Dead Men’ and ‘Sultans of Swing’ by Dire Straits.

What the?

I invite those three gents to listen to the Flash and the Pan track again and then point out to me exactly where those similarities lie. It sure isn’t the chords. I’ve played ‘Sultans’ (very badly) in a covers band. Nothing remotely similar. The melodies are very different.

It can only be the commentary vocal style, employed by both Mark Knopfler on ‘Sultans’, Dire Straits’ debut release (1978), and George Young on ‘Dead Men’ (also 1978) AND on ‘Hey St Peter’ from 1976 – that’s right – two years before Dire Straits had even been heard of.

‘Down Among the Dead Men’ begins like ‘MacArther (sic) Park’? Sure, they both start on a minor chord (in different keys). On the Jimmy Webb classic, the bass descends a step on the second bar; in the Vanda & Young song, the bass descends on the third bar. Plenty of songs do that. And that’s it. Beyond that, they are totally different and both magnificent records.

But, hey, let’s not stop there.

Let’s talk ‘Surfer Girl’ being based on ‘When You Wish Upon a Star’.

Let’s talk ‘Surfin’ USA’ being so ‘based on’ ‘Sweet Little Sixteen’ that Chuck Berry was initially given the copyright to avoid a lawsuit and has since been given a writing co-credit.

Or the bridge in ‘Little Children’ being a lift, lyrics and all, from ‘Mountain of Love’.

Let’s talk the opening melody line in ‘Pacific Coast Highway’ (00:32-0:44) and its ‘similarity’ to ‘You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman’ (00:08-00:30). It’s embarrassing. I’d love to have seen the look on Carole King’s face when she heard that. Don’t think Brian was a fan? To whom did he dedicate a recent show to when she died?

Even the melody line in ‘From Here to Back Again’, ‘the clouds are breaking, it’s a beautiful day’…. check it out… ‘Groovin’’ by the Rascals, anyone?

But, no, we have fans here accusing other hit writers of plagiarism. Talk about people in glass houses….


PS Paul, those handwritten lyrics to 'Down Down'. Great get. And you'll notice it was originally going to be called 'Get Down'. But Gilbert O'Sullivan had just used that title. Saw him do it as the encore in a show in March. 

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Larry Franz

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Darren -- You should take a few moments to explain to the rest of us how this enterprise should proceed. My sense is:

that you don't want the host to announce a theme, even though it's acceptable to choose songs that bear some relationship to each other;

that you think we should listen to the four songs as much as we can tolerate before voting, preferably all week long, because voting quickly (based on first impressions, for example) is unfair and implies we haven't listened to the songs at all;

that we should participate during the week, but there should be strict limits on how we participate, the nature of those limits to be inferred from your comments;

that posting other songs is acceptable, but only if their relationship to the competing songs is the kind of relationship you prefer, or no relationship at all, and not something as shallow as having a particular word in the title;

that if we post other songs, we are implying that the host should listen to each one of them;

that the host should make sure to begin and end the battle at the prescribed times;

that the host should submit videos to you early on so they can be tested in different countries;

that live versions are to be avoided if possible;

that the host should check the scores with you before publishing them;

that the four songs should be evenly matched (although it isn't necessarily obvious how other people will vote);

that the playoffs should be conducted in the manner originally set down, because suggesting otherwise forces you to vigorously defend the existing rules;

and that it's acceptable to make snide comments regarding other people's participation.

It makes me feel bad that I've wasted so much of your time and my own on this forum, but it has mostly been fun, so maybe it hasn't been such a waste after all. You, of course, may have the last word if you choose to respond.


Big Brother and the Holding Company -- "Down On Me"
youtube.com/watch?v=DWwMXeJccBE

Beck -- "Country Down"
youtube.com/watch?v=iNIOcAxQjCA

Talking Heads -- "Burning Down the House"
youtube.com/watch?v=CiXVSuui9vU

Beach Fossils -- "Down the Line"
youtube.com/watch?v=zdfjCivNxGY

Over and out.

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