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dipetro

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I understand Brian has had some health issues, and I am sensitive to that....but management should be a little considerate in communicating with the consumer. I understand everyone will get a refund if dates are canceled but the Las Vegas date in particular is a destination show.....meaning people travel to Vegas to see the show.

I personally don't care to know anything about BW's health, it's none of my business and I wish him the best, but WHY can't Admin/Mgt/Family give some consideration to cancellation to the paying public?

Very self centered! 

Dave DiPetro


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I’m not sure what you’re going for here.  So far only the June concerts have been cancelled/postponed/or rescheduled.  The Las Vegas concert is still scheduled as are the other non-June concerts.

What further announcement/consideration do you want?  Are you looking for a guarantee that the concert will take place because you booked a “destination” concert and now have non-refundable costs?  Not much in life is guaranteed.  (Some say death and taxes, but I’m not so sure about taxes anymore as some seem to not have to pay taxes no matter how much money is made.)

In this case, when you buy a ticket and if the concert is cancelled you will get a refund for the ticket.  You are covered for that.  That is the only promise/compensation the artist and venue are liable for.  How you choose get to the venue and any associated risks/costs are up to you.  This true for a Brian Wilson concert as well as for any concert (unless specified otherwise.).  If you choose a “destination” concert you undertake some travel risks and those risks are your choice.  It helps to know the risks and to choose wisely.  I know as I learned the hard way.  You pay your money and you take your chances.

Some airlines offer fully refundable tickets or tickets whose value can be applied to a later date if you cancel the ticket.  Those tickets can carry a premium cost.  I like Southwest as even their “Wanna Get Away” low fares may be applied toward future travel, no extra fee involved.  (They travel to Las Vegas, too.)  There is such a thing as travel insurance, especially good for international travel.  It can be pricey though.  I understand some credit cards provide travel insurances as well if you use their card to purchase the ticket.

If it is a room reservation, a lot of hotels will allow for cancellation without cost up to the day before.  I always check that my reservations are covered that way.

Bottom line even if Brian is bright and bushy tailed by August and the Las Vegas concert goes on, you could have a situation of your own that prevents you from traveling.  Maybe a friend gets sick that you have to be there for.  Your boss may call you in on a last minute notice.  Maybe you get a mandatory court summons for that date (you never know…).

I just had an experience with a young niece who is beginning to have problems with severe anxiety.  All of a sudden she wasn’t showing up to the July 4th family gathering as expected.  After several attempts to contact her and quite some time later (over a day) she finally let us know she was not doing well and could not face getting in the car to drive.  And yes we had been worrying.  But for all the time we had to wait and the worry we had to go through when she didn’t call us to let us know what was happening, not one of us would have even thought to call her

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Very self centered!
.  Matter of fact my sister jumped in the car and went to her immediately, no questions, no blame, no shame.  Until Brian’s management is ready to give any us different news regarding the concerts still scheduled I’d suggest you have a little patience and compassion, too.  And maybe review your reservations to see if there is anything you can do to put them in a refundable/reusable status for your own protection whether the concert goes on or not.


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I’m not sure what you’re going for here.  So far only the June concerts have been cancelled/postponed/or rescheduled.  The Las Vegas concert is still scheduled as are the other non-June concerts.

What further announcement/consideration do you want?  Are you looking for a guarantee that the concert will take place because you booked a “destination” concert and now have non-refundable costs?  Not much in life is guaranteed.  (Some say death and taxes, but I’m not so sure about taxes anymore as some seem to not have to pay taxes no matter how much money is made.)

In this case, when you buy a ticket and if the concert is cancelled you will get a refund for the ticket.  You are covered for that.  That is the only promise/compensation the artist and venue are liable for.  How you choose get to the venue and any associated risks/costs are up to you.  This true for a Brian Wilson concert as well as for any concert (unless specified otherwise.).  If you choose a “destination” concert you undertake some travel risks and those risks are your choice.  It helps to know the risks and to choose wisely.  I know as I learned the hard way.  You pay your money and you take your chances.

Some airlines offer fully refundable tickets or tickets whose value can be applied to a later date if you cancel the ticket.  Those tickets can carry a premium cost.  I like Southwest as even their “Wanna Get Away” low fares may be applied toward future travel, no extra fee involved.  (They travel to Las Vegas, too.)  There is such a thing as travel insurance, especially good for international travel.  It can be pricey though.  I understand some credit cards provide travel insurances as well if you use their card to purchase the ticket.

If it is a room reservation, a lot of hotels will allow for cancellation without cost up to the day before.  I always check that my reservations are covered that way.

Bottom line even if Brian is bright and bushy tailed by August and the Las Vegas concert goes on, you could have a situation of your own that prevents you from traveling.  Maybe a friend gets sick that you have to be there for.  Your boss may call you in on a last minute notice.  Maybe you get a mandatory court summons for that date (you never know…).

I just had an experience with a young niece who is beginning to have problems with severe anxiety.  All of a sudden she wasn’t showing up to the July 4th family gathering as expected.  After several attempts to contact her and quite some time later (over a day) she finally let us know she was not doing well and could not face getting in the car to drive.  And yes we had been worrying.  But for all the time we had to wait and the worry we had to go through when she didn’t call us to let us know what was happening, not one of us would have even thought to call her .  Matter of fact my sister jumped in the car and went to her immediately, no questions, no blame, no shame.  Until Brian’s management is ready to give any us different news regarding the concerts still scheduled I’d suggest you have a little patience and compassion, too.  And maybe review your reservations to see if there is anything you can do to put them in a refundable/reusable status for your own protection whether the concert goes on or not.


Deb, as always, is a calm, reasoned and thoughtful voice. We are lucky to have her. The poster is fortunate it was Deb who answered him as the rest of us may not have been so....measured in response. Let's all hope for the best. Our concert desires are the least of it. Brian's well-being is all of it.
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Deb, as always, is a calm, reasoned and thoughtful voice. We are lucky to have her. The poster is fortunate it was Deb who answered him as the rest of us may not have been so....measured in response. Let's all hope for the best. Our concert desires are the least of it. Brian's well-being is all of it.


"as the rest of us may not have been so....measured in response" 

don't measure on my account M/M Jeffery, let it out, tell me what you think! I'm right about this. Just because Deb has nothing to do and can type an inane soliloquy Tell me what you think!


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"as the rest of us may not have been so....measured in response" 

don't measure on my account M/M Jeffery, let it out, tell me what you think! I'm right about this. Just because Deb has nothing to do and can type an inane soliloquy Tell me what you think!




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How refreshing! The usual ad hominem attack I get is more along the lines of smart-ass.  By the way, I think you might mean monologue instead of soliloquy. [wink]

Thanks, sjeffery. [wave]


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ha.  I don't think at this point a modern Brian's health circumstantial analogy to Sly Stone in the olden days is an accurate or warranted comparison.   Plus, If worst comes to worst, I think I've read that there are other entertainments in Las Vegas... 
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When dipetro said, "I personally don't care to know anything about BW's health," that may have touched a bit of a nerve in some of us.  A person reading a statement like that (very quickly) might think they're reading, "I personally don't care about BW's health...."  Dipetro's not saying that, and I don't think he means that.  He might've come up with a better sentence. 
But I also think he's got a point.  Any kind of trip for me feels huge, cuz I don't like to travel.  But a Las Vegas trip- that might be a once-in-a-lifetime endeavor, and you kinda wanna know something of what's
going on.  I don't blame him for that.
As a person who's worked with the mentally ill for many, many years, I'm confident that Mr. Wilson is probably struggling with his conditions.  His conditions are of a chronic nature, regardless of the Recovery Movement's mantras.  Those of us who've been fortunate to see him perform these last few years can often plainly see him struggling, even when he's in good form.  Call him a genius or call him whatever you like, I can  assure you Mr. Wilson is a very brave man.
In this forum I've already articulated this opinion:  Personally, I hope Mr. Wilson does not return to touring.  I hope you all have to make whatever arrangements you have to make regarding your plans and expenses.  Mr. Wilson's compatriots can find something else to do.  To me, Mr. Wilson belongs sitting on a piano bench- in a sandbox- off in the corner of some noisy little joint- a few cold beers on a table to his right or left-tinkling away at whatever silly little tune pleases him.  And throughout the evening, perhaps people can approach him and thank him for his service.

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Lonesome Dave, I appreciate your observations.  I certainly understand that the ambiguity about upcoming concerts can be unsettling.  We all deal with it as we do. And I respect your opinion that Brian should stay home.  I defer to his decision.

It wasn’t the "I personally don't care to know anything about BW's health" comment but the “Very self centered!” affront that touched that bit of a nerve in me. Mr. Wilson is not only a very brave man but also a very generous one.


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Trying to stay out of the fray, but I think that everyone is concerned with Brian's health and well being. That's why we are here!  He has gone through a LOT in his lifetime but still is able to write, produce, and play/sing incredible music.  Magical in fact. He is able to overcome either the mental or physical challenges and connect with people in a very deep and incredibly musical way.  

By the way - I just got Brian and Zombies tickets for Waterbury, CT.  Looking forward.

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Waterbury, eh?  Hmmmm….
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